http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/state/#CA
Only prop 8 and prop 4 are at the very bottom. So far it's not looking too good.
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I was on a high note after Obama won, but this news on prop 8 and 4 is bringing me down.
How could those possibly pass?
I think these propositions passing is not only riddiculous, but it's contradictory. We have come so far as a country, as proven by Obama's election tonight, but these props passing seems like a giant pull in the other direction. Anyone else a little confused?
well so far it's really only rural areas reporting, so hopefully the city's can shoot these down...
It's a shame, but I guess just wait a few years... when us young people take over, they'll get passed easily, I think.
Seeing as how my parents always tell me not to watch those good shows on vh1 (like I Love New York, among others), it might have been expected. Parents today are still pretty conservative on values.
as of now a 4% lead for yes on prop 8
and prop 4 is 50/50...
bad sign, but there's still hope...
And when I mean pass, I mean regulation overruling these passed propositions (if they pass).
I cant completely agree with Doria that not passing the propositions is contradictory after electing Barrack Obama. Facts are Barrack Obama does not support gay marriage, so if you are a true Obamaphile you would technically not vote for prop 8. Second of all the fact that prop 4 is even is not entirely surprising considering that the groups most likely to vote are older, and that older people generally would like to know that their daughter is getting an abortion. I am not saying that passing these propositions is correct because i believe the opposite, i just don't find the results surprising.
It's sad to see that yes on prop 8 is winning. I guess California is not as liberal as I thought it was...but then again, the younger generation, like us, are more liberal than our parents and most of us are not old enough to vote. So I just really hope garret is right...
I'm sorry, but if California, one of the most liberal states in the union, is unable to be openminded enough to allow gay marriage and unrestricted abortions, then I have absolutly no hope for the rest of the country.
No! as President-Elect Obama would say "Never give up HOPE!" Last time I checked we still have to account for 78% of California voters on Prop 8. And even if it does ban gay marriage this time, we still have propositions of the future when the youth take over to allow gay marriage. There is always hope.
That's the misconception about California, that it's the most liberal state in the country... The S.F. and L.A. areas are among the most liberal, but the rest of it is pretty much the sticks. Luckily the urban populations outnumber the rural ones, so we go generally liberal.
Pointing out that the state supreme court will likely overturn prop 8 because it is discriminatory. There is still a chance! (maybe)
the count at 10:15pm
California Proposition 8:
Ban on Gay Marriage
Yes 2,036,830 53%
No 1,789,057 47%
Proposition 4:
Abortion Limits
No 1,824,843 51%
Yes 1,777,386 49%
So 8 is passed and 4 isn't. that means gay marriage is not sanctioned by the government, but the light side is that you won't have to let your parents know there was an "incident."
I would have personally voted no on both and according to cnn stats, majority of san mateo county did vote no on both props.
Prop 8 and 4 aren't the biggest news however, these aren't that important of issues (mainly social issues), so they aren't anything you'll lose an arm and limb over.
prop 8 only lets gay people have the title of -married-, as domestic partners, they have the exact same rights as married couples. prop 4 only has doctors inform family of abortion, they can't stop the abortion should the minor still request to continue with it.
btw, bryan, according to cnn stats, there is more voter turnout between ages of 18-29 than any other age group (small turnout rates for each successive age group, old ppl don't vote much). it's just that many young people do believe that they have nothing to hide perhaps, once again, san mateo voters don't represent the whole of California.
ahhhhhhhh prop 8!!!
i had hope in humanity when Obama was declared president. guys...can you believe it?! an AFRICAN AMERICAN as the president of the united states. look how far we have come. " we shall overcome " :]
as for prop 8...oh my lord. i just lost a lil' faith in humanity.
is it even about gay marriage anymore or is it just conservative christians voting yes on prop8 cuz the y believe that ' traditional ' marriage should be between a man and a woman..well hell. alot of things aren't traditional anymore..we're in the freakin' 21st century. we're not cave men. it makes me so mad...its not about people being against gay marriage. i could give a f*** if you're for gay marriage or not. its blaming it on religion; freeedom of speech and its just plain discrimination. its so hypocritical and contradictory.. what? you're saying that if its not passed then all of you ' yes ' ppl won't have freedom of speech and what not..well what about the gays???! i bet if the prop. had something to do with racial issues ud vote no. why does homosexuality be any diff. you're not the one being married. you're not the gay one. making homosexuals feel inferior and having laws against something as simple and personal as marriage is stupid and ignorant. people open your eyes.
i agree with kevin lee. when i talked to my parents about it i was totally ready for them to say " yeah we're voting no on prop 8" when they said the opposite. i nearly died.
alot of ppl are still very conservative....EVEN in the bay area. it really surprises me. so sad so sad :[
well, imo, i believe that marriage is a sacred ritual to people. the right that comes with it is just something that the government added. take for example china in it's heavy communist days, there were marriages, but they didn't have diddlysquat to do with rights (none). don't forget that the US is a democratic government, we vote on subjects. As much as i would love to agree with you selina, i can't. if the majority of people decide that marriage should be kept sacred, then it shall be (according to their standards of man and woman).
on a little side note, my family voted yes on both 4 and 8 (small arguement entailed). my dad said that "after i found out that 8 isn't about giving rights to gay people (so that they have equal rights as married people [which they do as domestic partners, which they are now]), i'd vote yes because marriage is sacred and it should be respected as such." Therefore, i do see the other side in that prop 8 only gives them a title, nothing more, nothing less. they did vote for Obama though :D
so you're saying by being gay and wanting to marry ... they/that shouldn't be respected. only man and woman marriages should be respected..oh ic. it just bothers me..its like for the ones that are ' for ' prop 8...its like they want to have their OWN little society where in their perfect world. only men and women are meant together...no vooodoo gay marriages. thats tainted and not ' perfect ' thats not what god said...well im sorry. not everyone believes in god. oh you might say ' because in the bible '...well could those people just step aside and use their comenn sense...so if some1 tells you to jump off a bridge you will..cuz that person told you to. so if god told you terrorism is not wrong then you'll follow it. ( OBVIOUSLY that isn't true..just an example. ) sorry to be blunt about it.
marriage should be open to anyone..shouldn't be kept ' sacred ' like a secret gem that only couples that consist of men and women are allowed to experience...
i've talked to many people that have been together for many years...but after they got married with a document say that they were, it means so much more. so for gay marriage...thats just plain discimination. yes give me all that conversative, blah blah blah whatever is its..i can hear your side and see that it is influenced by religion , family upbringings, cultre and what not... but at the end of the day its still discrimination.
ps. wesley this is NOTHING personal to you. just explaining my thoughts ahha. NO HARD FEELINGS I SWEAR!!!
I agree with Bryan on most of this.
I also wanted to state that although the votes are still being tabulated prop 4 is actually a no right now with no at 52% and yes at 48% with 31% of the precincts counted. so it looks kinda good for that one for all you guys who commented on here. And although apparently prop 8 is still undecided with 30% if the precincts counted the no vote is trailing the yes vote with a 52%-48%. so don't give up hope for that yet. I also wanted to agree with Aimee to show my disappointment with a portion of California.
Marriage should be between two people, not two people and the state.
I don't care about your marriage is sacred bs, and what does letting gay people marry change about that anyway? They aren't getting married at your church anyway obviously so who cares.
Also screw the majority. The majority of people in 1930s germany supported the nazis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law
Sorry if i came off wrongly. I do believe that prop 8 should be shot down. Like I said before though, they have all the rights of married couples as domestic partners. Having the document declaring them married couples is just another way of having domestic partnership. It's just that marriage seems closer than being in a domestic partnership. People marry because they want something special between themselves and their partner. While it's true that many people don't believe in God and still get married, they do so only because they feel that there is a special bond that comes with marriage. Marriage isn't about rights, it's about being with someone you love. And having prop 8 passed means that you still have the rights and you can still love your gay partner, just not exactly in the same social status as actually married couples.
Also, there are some religious people who strongly believe that gay marriage should be kept completely out of all churches/cathedrals. I'm not religious myself, so I can't speak for myself, but I think that people in said churches believe that gay people shouldn't be married in God's holy domain.
whoever ballin fo life is..amen to you.
i quote ". Marriage isn't about rights, it's about being with someone you love. And having prop 8 passed means that you still have the rights and you can still love your gay partner, just not exactly in the same social status as actually married couples. "
- marriage IS about rights..its in the constitution..
- and if it ISN"T about rights..then why are there propositions about banning the other side of marriage..dont gay couples want to be with ' someone they love ' as well?
- and THIRDLY the whole bulls*** seperate but equal thing makes me SOOOOOOOO MAD.
Sadly, these people choose not to be students of logic but rather religious bigotry and dogma. What a pity.
I was and still am against Proposition 8 and thus I am extremely disappointed in not only California, but Arizona and Florida as well. I realize everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't make discrimination justifiable. This is eerily similar to the segregation laws and racism this country once saw. This time, how much will we have to sacrifice, how long and how hard will we have to fight for equal rights for all?
If you want to read some more about the gay-marriage rights battle throughout the country, I found this article
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081106/us_time/whygaymarriagewasdefeatedincalifornia
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