NYT Article
Dr. Micheal Baden declared that some of the sustained injuries of Jeffery Epstein in his apparent suicide would make a lot more sense in the case of homicidal strangulation rather than a suicide by hanging. While Dr. Baden has been known for taking a critical point, he has also worked on many important cases such as the assassination of JFK, the OJ Simpson murders and the Aaron Hernandez. He is obviously an expert in his field of practice, studying dead bodies.
While the original Doctor to oversee the autopsy simply put it as it "can be seen in suicides and homicides." This is quite a brief and not very clear argument to allegations that someone killed Jeffery Epstein in a high level prison. While this is only a conspiracy theory, it is quite odd that Jeffery Epstein happened to kill himself while on suicide watch only a week before. It is also quite suspicious that the cameras just happened to stop working at the convenient moments when Jeffery Epstein was killing himself. There has to be a point when we stop believing the people in power. They are sometimes wrong... or have other motives.
This man held parties that were basically rape parties. The fact that he was connected to so many of the rich elite such as Donald Trump, the Clinton's and Prince Andrew and might have had dirt on the people literally ruling the world is crazy. And the fact that he just died under such suspicious circumstances really concerns me as a person of the world. I believe everyone needs to be held accountable and for the powerful to possibly run around and eliminate people that have information that could bring them down is crazy. Another thing that is crazy to me is how trusting the media and people are in the authorities that actually carried out the investigation. I believe that everything should be met with some sort of skepticism and yet this case was only in the news for less then a week. Nothing seems to add up, and Micheal Baden plus many others seem to think the same.
What do you think of the Jeffery Epstein case?
Are you skeptical of what happened?
Do you think it is too crazy of an idea that Jeffery Epstein was murdered?
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Claiming that Epstein's death was due to suicide, arguably by hanging, seems somewhat unnerving. If it were suicide, and by hanging, as ABC News stated, then there would've been some sort of rope, wire, or any type of strangulation tool around his neck in plain sight. This, of course, is assuming that he didn't have any help from authorities on the inside. It is entirely possible that his financial power could've influenced someone to switch off the cameras, give him a means for suicide, and quickly remove the apparatus. Now, until all prison personnel are thoroughly investigated, Epstein's death is consistent with homicide. This does not mean that it is homicide for sure, however. Coincidence or not, the cameras should've been closely monitored, considering the level of Epstein's offense, and the guards on duty should have been more diligent in their rounds. This is completely unacceptable. Addressing the medical examiner, I trust the doctor's professional judgement fully, imputing Epstein's death to homicide.
As this story has unfolded, it seems more and more like a movie plot. Epstein's scary important connections, combined with all the circumstances of this story, point to some nasty underhanded business. However, I think that whether Epstein was murdered or not, proving that he was murdered and further connecting his possible murder case to an elite seems almost impossible. I believe that even if there was a conspiracy, there is nothing to be done about it.
Additionally, I am amazed that the public is not more critical of the reporting that this was a suicide, especially after all the evidence that the general public no longer believes media except when the media reports what the public wants to believe. If this conclusion from our textbook and class discussions is applied to this story, it seems like the public wants this to be an easy answer: suicide.
The Epstein case seems to be a clear indicator of the corruption in our justice system. When Epstein was originally imprisoned, there were literal jokes regarding what if he gets killed to preserve the secrets of his connections. Subsequently, Epstein mysteriously killed himself under what should be a high level prison. Looking at this objectively the best case scenario is that the guards were genuinely not paying attention and Epstein somehow managed to kill himself while the worst case scenario is that he was assassinated to preserve the status of his connections. It's extremely concerning that the the worst-case scenario seems extremely much more likely than the best-case scenario, and the theory that Epstein was murdered almost seems truthful. I do believe that there are a good amount of people who also share this idea that there was some shady business but it all seems to be getting swept under the rug with minimal investigations occuring at a higher level. I'm personally extremely concerned with our country's justice system if elites can get away with these crimes without any repercussions, but we'll see what happens as time goes on.
This is somewhat fascinating to me. I think (1) Epstein is all the bad words I can think of and (2) it is appalling that he had close relations with people with strong influence, including two presidents. I also want to point out that it is extremely difficult for a person to succeed in suicide by choking themselves. It is way more likely that he was murdered. It would also make a lot of sense for someone to kill him, especially since there were marks found in his autopsy that were probably not self-inflicted, as well as the thing with the cameras, etc. The whole thing is just hella shady. And I'm pretty sure it would be someone of power who would kill him; maybe they were scared of being exposed as well. And to be able to go into a prison and kill a guy is pretty ambitious... It terrifies me that people who have power/influence in our nation might have these kind of abilities. And even if Dr. Sampson did say that it was a suicide, if there's any possibility of murder, pointed out by another professional, shouldn't it be further investigated. Yeah, the guy who died is probably chillin with satan right now, but it's still against the law to murder someone. And if it's a celebrity or someone with equal influence? That needs to be looked at.
This case seems a little suspicious. I don’t think it’s that crazy that Epstein was murdered. I wouldn’t be surprised that he was murdered because lots of people were angry at his actions and what he did to underaged girls. I think someone either paid another inmate to murder him or someone just wanted him dead. I’m not really sure who wanted him dead but I’m sure there are plenty of people he had to watch out for. I opened another article and read that Epstein was found hanging in his cell. However, according to the autopsy, Dr. Baden stated that “‘those three fractures [on his neck] are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation.’” Later on in the article, Dr. Baden also pointed out that “There were also hemorrhages in Epstein’s eyes that were common in homicidal strangulation and uncommon, though not unheard of, in suicidal hangings, the forensic pathologist said.” Therefore, based on those observations from Epstein’s autopsy, I think Epstein was murdered and did not die from suicide. If the cameras stopped working right when he died and the guards on watch were allegedly sleeping, someone must have killed him. It was premeditated.
Wow this is a crazy story. It deffinitely should be looked at and brought to attention because there very well could be something fishy about it. Although many would want to write it of as a conspiracy theory, I for one think this is possible. just because its unlikely doesn't mean that higher authorities don't want certain people to talk and so they finish the job.
I personally don't generally like conspiracy theories, I think in a lot of cases they can be very dangerous and the paranoia which stems from them can lead to the denial of facts, however, in this case I think there are very legitimate reasons to be skeptical. I think the fact that his death benefits many powerful powerful people is the main driving force behind the theory, but to escalate it even farther is the fact that, as mentioned, there's numerous sus details surrounding the death itself. Based on what I've heard/read so far, I personally don't think that he committed suicide. There just doesn't seem to be enough obvious evidence to prove a hanging, and there's an awful amount of convenience pertaining to the guards and their attention at his time of death. I don't think it's at all crazy to think this, and ultimately I think that's it's important that the case remain at least somewhat on the public radar, even though I know it likely won't with the constantly rotating news cycle. Zoe also made a really interesting in saying that ultimately, even if he was murdered, it doesn't really matter all that much, as tying it to anyone in particular would be near impossible. The state of this case and information surrounding it is incredibly unfortunate, and unless damning evidence emerges, people will continue to be suspicious.
Regardless of whether Epstein was murdered or committed suicide, this whole situation points to a huge flaw in our justice/prison system. The fact that Epstein was able to be killed is a huge problem. Epstein should never have had the opportunity to commit suicide, and (while I don’t support Epstein in any way) there should be safeguards against prisoner homicide. Both scenarios reveal some kind of corruption in our justice system: an outside party either exercised undue influence and silenced Epstein or Epstein succeeded in committing suicide and effectively overrode his own sentence, enabled by sleeping guards. It’s troubling that something like this can happen; next time, it may not be an unexpected death but an unexpected escape of a dangerous convict.
This case seems very intriguing and somewhat mysterious. As I read the articles, it states that Jeffrey Epstein has "hanged himself inside his Manhattan jail cell." For some reason this statements brings skepticism because questions such as where did he get the materials? Was he the only one in that jail cell? and Did anyone else notice it? were brought up. As I continue to read the article it seems that his death would benefit many powerful people which could be a main reason behind this conspiracy. I usually find conspiracy theories to be very interesting. But as I continue to read more about this case, I personally do not believe that he committed suicide. The article does not provide enough concrete evidence to Epstein's death if he had hanged himself. I agree with Samantha Lee, I also would not surprised at all if he was murdered since a lot of powerful leaders would not want to be involved in some serious issues. In addition, for of the camera to be switched off at the moment the death occurred leads me to believe that this case was not a suicide but rather he was murdered. But, it's concerning that cases similar to this could happen again.
It can’t be overlooked by the possibility that several billionaires were at risk if he testified. There are a lot of people to whom it would have been well-worth while making it worth it to somebody to ensure that he could not testify and to make it look like an accident. Unless they are willing to show a video that shows he had a free hand in the act, it can’t be overlooked. How can a man who is on 24-hour suicide watch commit suicide? Was Epstein murdered to protect his powerful politician, royalty, Hollywood and businessmen clients who used to molest underage girls on his island? It seems oddly suspicious. But I also think Mr Epstein saw that his life had crumbled. I think he spent much of his life taking advantage of other people, and in the end, he saw that he would never again have an advantage over anyone. In fact, he would have the hellish life of a convict. I think he could not face the consequences of his actions, and in depression and desperation, he hung himself.
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